Tag: Orange Button

Summary

This webinar, hosted by the SunSpec Alliance, focuses on a core issue slowing down solar adoption: fragmented data. While solar technology itself continues to improve, soft costs such as permitting delays, manual paperwork, inconsistent product data, and complex financing requirements are still eating up a significant portion of every solar dollar. Jan Rippingale, CEO of Blu Banyan and the Orange Button Alliance, explains how these challenges stem from a lack of shared standards and common language across the industry.

The session introduces the Orange Button Initiative and the newly formed Orange Button Alliance, which are working to standardise how solar data is defined, shared, and used across permitting, product registries, operations and maintenance, performance reporting, and asset valuation. The long-term vision is often described as a “Zillow for solar”, where projects can be valued, financed, permitted, and transferred far more quickly and confidently. The webinar also highlights real-world progress already being made, including faster electronic permitting, improved financing workflows, and growing industry adoption driven by open, collaborative data infrastructure.
Learn more about the Orange Button Alliance: https://www.oballiance.org/

Learning Objectives

• Understand How Fragmented Data Increases Solar Soft Costs And Slows Project Deployment

• Learn How The Orange Button Data Standard Improves The Exchange Of Solar Project Data

• Identify Where Standardised Data Can Reduce Permitting, Financing, And Due Diligence Friction

• Understand The “Zillow For Solar” Concept And What It Enables For Asset Valuation And Transfer

• Recognise How Industry Collaboration Through Shared Data Standards Accelerates Solar Adoption

Full Webinar Transcript

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All right.

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Good morning and welcome everybody. My name is Dylan Tanzi.

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I’m the Executive Director of the SunSpec Alliance.

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Thank you so much for joining us today

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for today’s webinar on Standardizing Solar Finance

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with Jan Ripen, CEO, and founder of Blue Banyan,

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and also CEO of the Orange Button Alliance.

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This is a, a great topic for today,

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so really happy for you all to join us.

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I’m gonna leave a lot of the detail, all the details to Jan,

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but just to tee things up a little bit,

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we’re talking about orange button

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and application level data standards, uh,

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that is really excited, exciting.

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The Orange Button Initiative was initially developed, um,

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under a US Department of Energy, uh, pro, uh,

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uh, finance project.

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Uh, but now the, this initiative is going global with the,

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uh, origination of the Orange Button Alliance,

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a separate 5 0 1 C3, uh, nonprofit charity, uh,

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that was spun up in order to, to support the, uh,

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the development of d different use cases

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and applications of the, of the standard.

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And Jan is both a board member of the SunSpec Alliance,

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and like I said, CEO of, of the Orange Button Alliance.

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So I’ll let Jan get all into it.

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Uh, let’s just go to the, uh, the, uh, IP admonition.

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So, like all SunSpec meetings, uh,

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all SunSpec meetings are conducted in accordance

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with the SunSpec antitrust policy

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and intellectual property provisions defined in

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the SunSpec member agreement.

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This agreement can be found a following address.

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SunSpec strictly prohibits market participants

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and their employees who take part in these activities from

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using their participation as a forum for engaging in,

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in practices or communications that violate antitrust laws.

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Confidential or proprietary information should not be

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discussed in open session.

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Please contact SunSpec Management if you have any questions.

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And a couple quick housekeeping items

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before I pass it off to Jan.

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Uh, this is, uh, this meeting is going to be,

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is being held on Google Meet.

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So you do have the ability

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to turn your camera on and unmute yourself.

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We do ask that you do, that you keep the, your camera off

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and yourself on mute to keep the background

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noise, um, to a minimum.

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Uh, in addition, there will be time for questions,

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so please do enter your questions in the chat.

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But like I said, uh, keep, keep the camera and,

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and mic off for the, for the, uh,

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main duration of the content.

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Uh, additionally, the recording will be published

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and distributed to you, uh, within a day

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or two, as well as the deck.

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And there’s a lot of, there’s an appendix at the end

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with a lot of rich detail, um, for you

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to refer to afterward.

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Uh, so with that,

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Thank you So, and rip, thanks so much

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for joining us. Take it away.

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Thank you so much, Dylan. I am glad to be here.

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This is my favorite webinar of the year to report out on

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what we’ve been doing at

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with the Orange Button Working Group

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and how we’re planning on building even more momentum than

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we have gotten so far together.

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So the future of Clean Energy runs on data.

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This is our mantra.

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So today’s journey, we’ve all been about

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how are we gonna go from this problem

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and handle it in partnership,

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which is why we have the 5 0 1 C3.

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The challenge is that the soft costs are eating up 50%

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of every solar dollar spent.

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And in order to deploy more solar faster

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and help the climate transition,

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and just to make life more fun for all of us, we need to see

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what we can do to change that.

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And we have been working on it for nearly a decade,

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and we’re getting some traction.

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Um, the infrastructure behind the solution

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for this involves common terms, like using the same words,

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um, to mean the same things,

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common data sets like the A HJ registry

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and the product registry and common tools like Solar App

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and Tel, and many other tools that we’ve got available.

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We’re gonna go into that in detail,

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but all of this is meant to give you

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and to give the industry to give us an ability to

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capitalize on our common data

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so we can have something like Zillow for solar.

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And we are going to work for this.

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So we have common valuation of our assets

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and quick deployment.

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So we have made steps that are already working.

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The steps that we have made are already saving millions

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of dollars, and we’ve got a roadmap to do even more.

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We’re gonna talk about your membership in the Orange Button

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Alliance and your the help that we would like you to engage

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and contribute to shape the future that we need.

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And then we’ll have questions.

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So here’s the data cha challenge in US Resi,

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and I brought this out specifically because it is stark.

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So solar costs seven times more in the

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United States than in Australia.

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Um, that is amazing.

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So a US system that’s 28 k, which is close to average here

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is $4,000 in the US and $10,000 in Germany.

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So what is the difference?

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And it’s, it’s not the modules,

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it’s not the equipment, it’s the paperwork.

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So the soft costs are the operational challenge

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of this fragmented data that we’re needing to, uh, solve for

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across the segments.

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We have the same challenge.

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So an important thing is it takes over 27 days.

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It’s actually gone down a lot to get permitting delays

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through a manual, a HJ process.

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In commercial, we’ve got very complex site data requirements

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and inconsistent performance reporting.

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And so due diligence to get financing is very complicated

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and slows, slows everything down for financing

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and also for selling the asset later utility scale

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that shows up in these huge interconnection queues

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that we’ve been hearing about and talking about and,

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and chipping away at, um, to get going.

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So how much time and money does this actually cost us?

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So the interconnection bottleneck, as you know, is,

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is pretty much the bottleneck that we have to rolling,

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deploying more solar faster, um,

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and every day that we get delays in

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with this interconnection bottleneck.

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Recently, pine Gates bankruptcy, for instance, was

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dramatically affected by not being able

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to get through this bottleneck.

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And the carrying costs of any delays that happen

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as you have these projects that are sitting idle

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and unable to move forward, um, are substantial.

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So we also need the utilities coming in, um,

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and working, helping us with the state exchange.

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The product data is the next area, uh,

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that we’re going to look to tame.

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And we have multiple, 200 plus manufacturers.

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They’ve all got their own specification data in their own

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languages right now, and we are gonna work

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to get them synchronized so that we can look

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and do Apple to apple comparisons while still preserving

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their unique capabilities.

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that we take on.

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And then the asset value valuation

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and the o opacity for that.

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Like we can’t, how, how much

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utility scale projects are worth based

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on what they’re generating yet.

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is literally how we want to do that.

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We want to build up the data pieces that we need,

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and knowing which products we’re working on is,

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is a key element of that buildup.

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that we can exchange solar assets in a way similar to

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how Zillow, Zillow does.

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You have approximate comparisons, do, um,

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inspections in 30 days.

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You’ve got a new system.

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So we’ve got these three problems

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and they all share a common root cause, which is

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that our data is fragmented.

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So what is the solution?

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What if, please imagine for a second,

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the solar data we needed just worked.

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What if we worked on one standard with one language,

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one term across all of the relevant jurisdictions,

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which is 20,000 in the US alone, all our manufacturers,

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we have 10,000 plus solar companies.

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We’re all speaking the same language.

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The efficiencies we would be able to manifest

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collectively doing more good, faster

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and making more money along the way

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is exactly the solution that we’re looking for.

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And we’re building up for one step at a time.

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So this was the fundamental vision that

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that started the orange button initiative from the

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Department of Energy and SunSpec was the initial

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recipient to doing that.

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This is still the, the core working group has these members,

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and then we’ve got, um, key contributors going

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through what we’re working on.

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We’ve got taxonomy definitions

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where we’re really defining the terms.

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and why that matters, particularly with ai,

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because this AI just supercharges all

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of the benefits that we are gonna get

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from this common terminology.

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And then the reference data sets.

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The reference data sets are the areas

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where we’re getting the most traction

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and the most visibility because data is candy.

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Everybody loves getting more data faster

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and more accurately.

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So this is this initiative

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and the success we’ve had so far started

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the Orange Button Alliance.

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Um, we are a 5 0 1 C3 formally

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set up in a nonprofit structure now.

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And our mission is to accelerate clean energy deployment

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through data standardization.

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So the vision originally was a Zillow for solar.

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Um, and these are the kinds of changes that I think

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that we can make know you’re gonna

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have a valuation assessment.

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Like right now, there isn’t actually a good way to do this.

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It is all custom and bespoke every single time.

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But with orange button, you could just go on a website,

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look at, look up the site

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and see it with its full when the vision’s fully,

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um, executed.

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The capacity adjustments

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for hosting factors and other things.

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Like it takes days and weeks to get this information

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and pull it together right now.

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And you could do that probably in less than an hour, um,

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with some tweaking of the parameters and times of day

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and different ways that you might want

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to adjust those assumptions.

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O and m data right now is reported manually,

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and we would like this to be reported monthly

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would be a typical cadence,

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but quarterly would be the other cadence.

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And the reason that we think that we can do this is

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because we are using the same infrastructure

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that the SEC uses

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to get quarterly accounting from every publicly traded

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company in the world, you know, up every quarter.

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which takes months and months, you know,

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it might take something more like 30 days

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as you do your inspections, much more like a house.

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The market for this is billions of dollars annually.

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which is why it’s worth this long.

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Um, what does Tom Tanzi keep saying?

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It’s the overnight success that was 10 years in the making.

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So this has been a journey for all of us,

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but there are billions of dollars at stake

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and will become available, um, through these optimizations.

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So as always, we have the two choices

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that we can keep paying this fragmentation tax

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and suffering, or we can support the infrastructure

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that’s already returned, that’s already working

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and it’s got this compounding returns.

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and see where you’d like to be.

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So how do we really do this right?

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that create the semantics to give us all

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and which dramatically improved.

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and how quickly that can get done.

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of accounts, this is the registry that we’re building

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that’s going to tie solar accounts

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everybody benefits in the entire ecosystem

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by having this clarity.

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These are the core elements of the actual deliverables

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along the way in order that we are working for so

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that you guys can see this progress.

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Let me know if you have any questions about any of these.

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I love talking about it in detail.

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So that is the vision for what we’ve got.

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And then what have we actually done in 2025?

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What’s different from last year?

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how those data models are used in production, um, with

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so Tel and their, um, clients

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and all the innovations that needed to come out with getting

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It’s, it’s very exciting.

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that enables us to do, um, primarily the business reporting

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that we actually need to do, um, on a consistent basis,

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which is foundational for an energy asset to have valuation

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and the language support as we moved internationally.

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and we needed the languages to work accordingly.

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that the manufacturers can clearly attest to

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of these things starting in 2026.

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the California Energy Commissions list.

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and Light has their own qualifying list.

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qualifying lists so that they can clearly

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to accelerate selling those products,

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and designs that are needed in those areas.

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as we want to have recycling plans

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with the digital, um, passports in the eu.

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because they’re requiring it.

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to benefit everyone across the country as we look to

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you know, can reutilize these mineral

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it is now on 325 a hjs across 17 states.

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which is becoming an another energy leader,

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a huge game changing shift in

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how we’re able to deliver.

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So these are the pieces that have come to fruition

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and are continuing to grow in 2025

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that we’re really proud of.

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I would love to go deep dive on any

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of these if you’re interested in the questions at the end.

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Um, so a quick thing about the OM expansion I wanted

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to show you is that we’ve got a video on how to use the API

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that is the orange button compliant API.

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So take the A look at this link and check out this video.

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I’m just gonna show you a quick two seconds version of it.

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It’s in swagger in open API so

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that everyone can look at it and see what they’re doing.

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I’m gonna move past authorization

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is used in the API calls and the responses.

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These primitives, this is the thing that makes

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the SEC able

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to process all the data across all

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the companies in the same way.

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And that’s what we’re applying

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to our energy information infrastructure.

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So the video link is in there

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and I want you all to check out

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how it’s actually being used in production, um, in the wild.

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So super excited and proud about that.

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with the solar grade platform, um, in particular.

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And then we have these awesome standards aligned

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enumerations and I’m just gonna take a minute

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problem and this and you don’t know what they mean,

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they could be interchangeable,

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but instead, if you align the failure cause

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and this is the editor that we have

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to look at everything that we’ve got.

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you can view your enumerations

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that the ISO standards so that the entire industry

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can look and see where the problem was

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and start addressing the problem at the source

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as you’re going through, which is why this ISO standard was

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of us showing the industry as a whole how

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to apply these ISO standards in their own business to begin

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to describe what’s going on

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and then be able to improve their business processes

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count, um, where the problems are happening

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and how they’re getting fixed hopefully earlier,

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earlier in the process so that they’re all less expensive

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to fix, which is the ISO way.

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on many of the different pieces

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so that we can guide the industry as a whole about

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where they ought to move forward to meet industry standards.

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This took a huge intellectual effort for ISO to come up with

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and it’s presented in a way that very easy to understand

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and then start to categorize your operating maintenance

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issues in the same way so that it can be used

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in valuing your assets in a standardized fashion

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and as well as just doing your o and m correctly

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and then improving your processes as you go along.

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of the work

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and the benefits of putting together common terms on the

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taxonomy and how it’s being used in the field.

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I hope everyone can see that this improves bankability

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your insurance approvals,

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how you can compare assets across portfolios

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and you know, have

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better data analysis across diverse data sources.

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So this standardizations create the semantics, synap

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semantics that we need to be able to move forward

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with the next era of

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how data processing is going to be done.

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So I am so excited about this.

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which is our time series data

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and how this works with our core capacities.

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time series data.

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going to open this up really quickly

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and I’ll show you how that’s done really quickly.

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’cause I hadn’t pulled up electrical time series,

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to be context rich is helpful.

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we give you scope so that you can say

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00:25:45.535 –> 00:25:47.225
what this is actually applying to.

492
00:25:47.485 –> 00:25:48.785
Is it a specific device

493
00:25:49.775 –> 00:25:53.435
or are you reporting the, um, energy for an entire site

494
00:25:54.055 –> 00:25:57.075
or just one PV system or a portfolio?

495
00:25:57.775 –> 00:26:00.155
And you can put that in as big

496
00:26:00.155 –> 00:26:02.595
or as small as it needs to go all the way down

497
00:26:03.015 –> 00:26:05.795
to the specific location, um,

498
00:26:05.915 –> 00:26:07.795
with this latitude and longitude.

499
00:26:09.885 –> 00:26:11.625
So we give you context about that

500
00:26:12.385 –> 00:26:13.915
when you’re looking at the energy.

501
00:26:14.535 –> 00:26:19.505
Almost always you’re gonna see line frequency as part

502
00:26:19.505 –> 00:26:22.025
of a title inside of a spreadsheet

503
00:26:22.865 –> 00:26:24.605
and instead we’ve pulled that out

504
00:26:24.705 –> 00:26:27.145
and made it explicit so

505
00:26:27.345 –> 00:26:29.945
that you can report your time series data with all

506
00:26:29.945 –> 00:26:33.205
of the data that you need to actually know what’s going on

507
00:26:33.745 –> 00:26:35.845
so that you can collect your data once,

508
00:26:36.225 –> 00:26:38.365
but then you can reuse it for the many,

509
00:26:38.365 –> 00:26:41.165
many different purposes it’s gonna have over and over again

510
00:26:41.355 –> 00:26:45.365
because it will be fully defined in terms of

511
00:26:45.955 –> 00:26:48.405
what this time series data is representing

512
00:26:48.745 –> 00:26:51.605
and how you can use it and apply it and compare it properly.

513
00:26:52.985 –> 00:26:56.525
So we went through and defined exactly which metadata,

514
00:26:56.615 –> 00:27:00.565
which de data you needed around the data in order to

515
00:27:01.125 –> 00:27:03.485
accurately describe how this is working.

516
00:27:04.215 –> 00:27:07.755
So power for instance, uh, the power factor, sorry,

517
00:27:07.845 –> 00:27:11.035
power factor time series only needs two of these elements,

518
00:27:11.255 –> 00:27:12.835
but current needs all four.

519
00:27:14.065 –> 00:27:18.165
And this is the work that we did, um, as we were going

520
00:27:18.165 –> 00:27:21.045
through this and temperature type.

521
00:27:22.115 –> 00:27:24.365
This absolutely matters in determining

522
00:27:24.365 –> 00:27:26.365
what temperature you’re getting with your time series data.

523
00:27:26.785 –> 00:27:30.365
So the electrical time series gives you

524
00:27:31.305 –> 00:27:34.925
an object to organize all of your data around

525
00:27:35.475 –> 00:27:38.565
your electrical system so that you can present it together

526
00:27:38.625 –> 00:27:41.985
as a whole and be complete and clear

527
00:27:42.045 –> 00:27:46.555
and use it ongoing in the future with full confidence.

528
00:27:48.785 –> 00:27:53.765
We also opened up our first blog and got that going.

529
00:27:54.265 –> 00:27:55.405
Let me just show you for a second.

530
00:27:55.545 –> 00:27:59.645
So shout out to three E, um, and Justin

531
00:28:00.345 –> 00:28:02.005
or Justin Merch for doing this.

532
00:28:02.545 –> 00:28:05.765
And he put together our electrical time series blog

533
00:28:06.265 –> 00:28:09.125
and it talks about what this is exactly

534
00:28:09.305 –> 00:28:13.445
and why you want to utilize this information

535
00:28:14.235 –> 00:28:19.055
with examples about how the, what value

536
00:28:19.355 –> 00:28:22.095
and input the fully defined data really looks like.

537
00:28:23.655 –> 00:28:28.595
So it is, um, we’re putting in the structure

538
00:28:28.775 –> 00:28:31.075
so that people can adopt it much more quickly.

539
00:28:32.895 –> 00:28:36.355
And the other shout out I wanna make on the electrical ts is

540
00:28:36.535 –> 00:28:39.715
to AJ Rossman at Smart Resource Labs.

541
00:28:40.595 –> 00:28:42.795
’cause he really kicked off this use case

542
00:28:43.415 –> 00:28:47.835
and then challenged us to find the correct information, um,

543
00:28:48.055 –> 00:28:49.075
as we were going through

544
00:28:50.065 –> 00:28:53.645
and looking at the different sites that he was servicing.

545
00:28:54.105 –> 00:28:57.125
So it was an excellent collaboration.

546
00:29:00.535 –> 00:29:03.785
Okay, last but not least, um, I really wanted

547
00:29:03.785 –> 00:29:05.265
to talk about the product registry

548
00:29:05.405 –> 00:29:07.945
and we are very excited that we have been able

549
00:29:07.965 –> 00:29:10.665
to fully describe the domestic content.

550
00:29:11.805 –> 00:29:15.185
So, you know, and by fully describe what I mean is

551
00:29:15.935 –> 00:29:19.585
that this is what you need to know to know that your,

552
00:29:20.875 –> 00:29:24.785
um, your source countries are going to,

553
00:29:26.135 –> 00:29:28.945
that your products, the products you’re purchasing are going

554
00:29:28.945 –> 00:29:32.385
to comply or not with domestic content rules.

555
00:29:33.405 –> 00:29:34.665
And then the fi o rules

556
00:29:35.695 –> 00:29:38.945
that are the prohibited foreign entity rules defined

557
00:29:39.645 –> 00:29:44.325
in the currently the IRS code that came out of the big bill.

558
00:29:45.415 –> 00:29:50.235
So this, these rules that manufacturers are gonna be able

559
00:29:50.235 –> 00:29:54.015
to communicate clearly to buyers,

560
00:29:55.135 –> 00:29:57.035
um, and insurers

561
00:29:57.335 –> 00:30:00.995
and people doing due diligence, I think is going

562
00:30:00.995 –> 00:30:05.315
to be a game changer in 2026 as

563
00:30:06.665 –> 00:30:09.935
every financing entity I am aware of needs

564
00:30:09.935 –> 00:30:14.255
to know this information and validate its accuracy, um,

565
00:30:14.255 –> 00:30:16.055
before issuing financing.

566
00:30:17.315 –> 00:30:21.255
Um, I read something this morning that said

567
00:30:21.525 –> 00:30:25.115
that they only knew of one, one financier

568
00:30:25.575 –> 00:30:27.595
who was moving forward without the

569
00:30:27.595 –> 00:30:29.395
clarity on the FIAC rules.

570
00:30:30.565 –> 00:30:33.345
Um, ’cause they need to know what the rules are going

571
00:30:33.345 –> 00:30:35.905
to be exactly and how that’s going to work.

572
00:30:36.795 –> 00:30:40.465
We’re capturing the data, so the exact cost percentage

573
00:30:40.525 –> 00:30:41.745
and exactly how

574
00:30:41.745 –> 00:30:44.665
that ownership is decided will be on the manufacturers

575
00:30:44.665 –> 00:30:48.115
to say, but then once they say that, um,

576
00:30:48.455 –> 00:30:53.075
you can move forward and make your purchasing decisions

577
00:30:53.775 –> 00:30:55.675
and financing decisions accordingly.

578
00:30:57.085 –> 00:31:00.975
So this is going to be a big friction remover

579
00:31:01.635 –> 00:31:03.295
for the entire industry.

580
00:31:06.045 –> 00:31:07.785
Um, I’m super proud of this

581
00:31:07.785 –> 00:31:11.585
because it’s very elegant as a solution in terms

582
00:31:11.585 –> 00:31:13.265
of just getting the outputs that we need

583
00:31:14.125 –> 00:31:17.825
to solve the problem without all of the inputs

584
00:31:18.295 –> 00:31:20.745
that go into it, which are still being discussed.

585
00:31:20.845 –> 00:31:22.905
But if we just record the outputs at the end,

586
00:31:23.645 –> 00:31:24.705
uh, we can’t comply.

587
00:31:26.215 –> 00:31:27.835
So that took a little brainpower

588
00:31:27.835 –> 00:31:29.395
to figure out, but we did it.

589
00:31:30.355 –> 00:31:33.295
So the next thing I wanna talk about is

590
00:31:33.295 –> 00:31:35.775
how we’re gonna move this work forward and better

591
00:31:35.795 –> 00:31:37.415
and bigger in 2026.

592
00:31:38.355 –> 00:31:41.775
And it has everything to do with, um,

593
00:31:42.115 –> 00:31:43.735
the Orange Button Alliance membership.

594
00:31:44.075 –> 00:31:46.375
So we have opened up the membership program.

595
00:31:47.635 –> 00:31:50.775
The people participating in the membership program have this

596
00:31:50.775 –> 00:31:52.175
network effect where everybody wins.

597
00:31:52.675 –> 00:31:55.735
The more that we can do, the more we’re accelerating

598
00:31:55.735 –> 00:31:57.095
the benefits for all of us.

599
00:31:59.965 –> 00:32:02.025
And, and we have this alternative,

600
00:32:02.025 –> 00:32:04.305
particularly when thinking about the product registry

601
00:32:04.365 –> 00:32:05.865
or other common data sets

602
00:32:06.405 –> 00:32:09.105
and the common tools is that we can try

603
00:32:09.105 –> 00:32:10.665
to build it internally over and over

604
00:32:10.665 –> 00:32:12.865
and over again, which is essentially where we are now.

605
00:32:14.605 –> 00:32:18.265
Or we can op adopt the orange button information

606
00:32:18.265 –> 00:32:21.065
infrastructure for a much smaller price

607
00:32:21.845 –> 00:32:24.265
and help each other to develop this

608
00:32:24.495 –> 00:32:27.025
with much greater visibility and

609
00:32:27.025 –> 00:32:29.185
therefore accuracy of the data.

610
00:32:30.365 –> 00:32:32.865
So we want ecosystem connectivity

611
00:32:33.045 –> 00:32:36.225
and we want clarity about standards and their compliance.

612
00:32:39.275 –> 00:32:40.815
So these are the Orange Button Alliance

613
00:32:40.815 –> 00:32:42.335
membership tiers and pricings.

614
00:32:42.525 –> 00:32:46.135
This is the program’s membership programs announcement.

615
00:32:46.995 –> 00:32:49.255
Um, we’re gonna have open access to people

616
00:32:49.275 –> 00:32:50.535
who are just exploring

617
00:32:50.535 –> 00:32:52.935
and looking at it on the website similar to how you would

618
00:32:52.965 –> 00:32:54.535
with the HJ registry.

619
00:32:55.955 –> 00:32:59.535
Um, active members can be smaller installers

620
00:32:59.555 –> 00:33:04.175
and consultants, certification bodies would be ul,

621
00:33:04.795 –> 00:33:08.095
um, SunSpec, these kinds of groups collaborating

622
00:33:08.195 –> 00:33:11.855
or larger vendors, maybe early stage manufacturers,

623
00:33:12.535 –> 00:33:15.875
and then larger manufacturers and then foundation members.

624
00:33:16.735 –> 00:33:19.115
So these are the enterprise global leaders.

625
00:33:19.695 –> 00:33:22.475
And we even have one for, for the global

626
00:33:22.855 –> 00:33:24.435
for a million dollar annual fee

627
00:33:24.665 –> 00:33:26.715
because we do have some contributors

628
00:33:27.965 –> 00:33:30.115
who’s minimum check is a million dollars.

629
00:33:31.055 –> 00:33:35.555
So this is done all in partnership with the SunSpec Alliance

630
00:33:36.135 –> 00:33:38.875
and so members get a 20% discount up

631
00:33:38.875 –> 00:33:41.275
to $5,000 on their membership fee.

632
00:33:42.135 –> 00:33:44.995
Um, so that can really help.

633
00:33:48.445 –> 00:33:50.695
This is what you get with the $20,000 a year

634
00:33:51.035 –> 00:33:54.335
and the value proposition for like manufacturers.

635
00:33:55.395 –> 00:33:59.695
Um, so main thing is that you get unlimited product listings

636
00:34:00.315 –> 00:34:05.015
and that is a great way of getting advertising,

637
00:34:05.115 –> 00:34:08.935
but also to set up all of your products in the right way

638
00:34:09.325 –> 00:34:10.455
with the right certifications

639
00:34:10.455 –> 00:34:14.455
and stuff so that you can get validated and become bankable

640
00:34:15.075 –> 00:34:18.895
or for, um, the users, insurance companies,

641
00:34:18.925 –> 00:34:22.055
finance companies, installers, design companies.

642
00:34:23.435 –> 00:34:26.415
It comes with, um, API usage calls per month.

643
00:34:26.875 –> 00:34:28.375
You can be on the advisory council,

644
00:34:29.025 –> 00:34:32.695
we’ll have an analytics dashboard, uh, support

645
00:34:33.235 –> 00:34:34.735
and working group participation.

646
00:34:35.595 –> 00:34:39.095
So this is the sustaining members are the ones that,

647
00:34:39.285 –> 00:34:43.855
that we are looking to fill out the most, the fastest so

648
00:34:43.855 –> 00:34:48.015
that we can get the product registry information up

649
00:34:48.075 –> 00:34:50.015
and up to date, particularly

650
00:34:50.015 –> 00:34:54.175
with the domestic content information as soon as possible.

651
00:34:55.185 –> 00:34:56.765
And of course, when you apply the discount

652
00:34:57.545 –> 00:35:00.565
for existing spec members, it’s even more attractive.

653
00:35:03.425 –> 00:35:05.725
We looked at the different memberships

654
00:35:05.865 –> 00:35:09.025
and which, which memberships would have,

655
00:35:09.025 –> 00:35:10.385
which value propositions.

656
00:35:11.125 –> 00:35:13.815
And then we did a little ROI scenario

657
00:35:14.755 –> 00:35:17.335
and I actually think that these costs might be low,

658
00:35:17.795 –> 00:35:22.335
but even with this kind of costs, we end up

659
00:35:22.335 –> 00:35:26.095
with a very large ROI and even in your first year.

660
00:35:28.655 –> 00:35:32.225
So all around closing sales faster,

661
00:35:32.225 –> 00:35:33.825
getting financing done faster,

662
00:35:37.245 –> 00:35:40.185
so your membership creates our voice

663
00:35:40.805 –> 00:35:43.985
and it really is like a co-op for solar data.

664
00:35:44.935 –> 00:35:49.715
So I like that storyline, um,

665
00:35:49.945 –> 00:35:52.315
that, that we’re collecting our data cooperatively.

666
00:35:53.015 –> 00:35:56.155
Um, and would love your feedback about

667
00:35:56.175 –> 00:35:57.315
how, what you think about that.

668
00:36:00.455 –> 00:36:04.235
Please keep in mind that the real competition

669
00:36:04.495 –> 00:36:05.635
as we go into this

670
00:36:05.635 –> 00:36:08.955
and we’re sharing our data, which is meant

671
00:36:08.955 –> 00:36:10.035
to be out there for everybody.

672
00:36:10.335 –> 00:36:12.995
We, um, are anticipating some people might have some

673
00:36:13.025 –> 00:36:17.715
competitive, um, concerns,

674
00:36:18.735 –> 00:36:21.715
but our real competition is actually fossil fuels

675
00:36:21.975 –> 00:36:24.475
and getting that carbon out of our systems so

676
00:36:24.475 –> 00:36:27.275
that we can have a climate that works for our children.

677
00:36:28.785 –> 00:36:30.955
Then getting, removing the bureaucratic friction

678
00:36:30.955 –> 00:36:32.595
and the small slow adoption curves.

679
00:36:32.975 –> 00:36:36.755
So the quicker that manufacturers can get onto the product

680
00:36:37.195 –> 00:36:40.635
registry, the quicker they’re going to be able to, um,

681
00:36:42.075 –> 00:36:44.565
have all the benefits of the standardized data

682
00:36:44.945 –> 00:36:47.085
and the feedback from the ecosystem.

683
00:36:47.755 –> 00:36:52.445
SunSpec, ul Lumion, all of the contributors who are adding

684
00:36:52.445 –> 00:36:56.525
to this certification registry, the CEC Pennsylvania Power

685
00:36:56.525 –> 00:36:58.005
and Lights, all

686
00:36:58.005 –> 00:37:00.445
of this supplemental data about their products

687
00:37:01.675 –> 00:37:05.165
that just make it great so the tide will rise

688
00:37:05.545 –> 00:37:06.925
and will raise all boats.

689
00:37:10.325 –> 00:37:12.385
So this is what you need to do to join.

690
00:37:13.205 –> 00:37:15.405
Um, we’ll get you onboarded

691
00:37:16.265 –> 00:37:19.245
and then you’ll start to see the ROI you just email.

692
00:37:19.665 –> 00:37:20.925
You can at the moment,

693
00:37:20.985 –> 00:37:21.685
you should just email

694
00:37:21.745 –> 00:37:25.245
me@oballiance.org and we’ll get you started.

695
00:37:27.685 –> 00:37:29.985
Um, I wanted to ask some questions

696
00:37:29.985 –> 00:37:31.385
before we go to the next thing.

697
00:37:31.525 –> 00:37:35.355
Do we have time for questions

698
00:37:35.415 –> 00:37:36.635
or anything that’s coming up?

699
00:37:39.735 –> 00:37:40.955
Yep, we’ve got plenty of time. Yes.

700
00:37:40.975 –> 00:37:42.555
Did you want to go

701
00:37:42.555 –> 00:37:44.235
through the questions from the chat right now?

702
00:37:45.415 –> 00:37:46.635
Yep, that would, that would be great.

703
00:37:46.825 –> 00:37:48.515
Perfect. Yeah, thanks so much Jan.

704
00:37:48.515 –> 00:37:51.275
That was a really great intro to the, the challenge

705
00:37:52.185 –> 00:37:56.475
that orange button is seeking to answer the solutions and,

706
00:37:56.735 –> 00:37:59.315
and the path forward for, for progressing this work.

707
00:37:59.915 –> 00:38:02.675
I I wanna just offer one comment. So I I head off some.

708
00:38:02.695 –> 00:38:06.075
One question I, I anticipate is why is there a separate

709
00:38:06.235 –> 00:38:08.275
organization and a separate membership?

710
00:38:08.275 –> 00:38:11.715
And, and the reason for this is, you know, sun,

711
00:38:11.775 –> 00:38:16.385
the SunSpec Alliance is a nonprofit trade Alliance 5 0 1

712
00:38:16.705 –> 00:38:19.145
C six, so it’s non-tax deductible

713
00:38:19.605 –> 00:38:24.185
and the work required to get the orange button, uh, work,

714
00:38:24.645 –> 00:38:28.265
uh, and use cases off the ground necessitated, uh,

715
00:38:28.595 –> 00:38:31.065
being able to hire software developers

716
00:38:31.405 –> 00:38:33.345
and set up more infrastructures

717
00:38:33.345 –> 00:38:34.785
with APIs and stuff like that.

718
00:38:35.145 –> 00:38:37.085
So it required a greater degree of funding.

719
00:38:37.225 –> 00:38:41.085
And by setting this up as a 5 0 1 C3 nonprofit, a charity,

720
00:38:41.555 –> 00:38:44.205
they can take in greater amount, greater amounts of funding,

721
00:38:44.625 –> 00:38:47.725
uh, and be tax deductible as a Trade Alliance.

722
00:38:47.725 –> 00:38:50.365
5 0 1 C six with SunSpec is non-tax deductible.

723
00:38:50.585 –> 00:38:53.445
We can’t take in as easily taken large sums

724
00:38:53.445 –> 00:38:57.005
of money in order to, to hire the ne necessary labor force

725
00:38:57.385 –> 00:38:59.445
and set up the required infrastructure.

726
00:39:00.705 –> 00:39:03.765
So we’re working hand in hand in hand, like Jan mentioned,

727
00:39:03.995 –> 00:39:06.845
SunSpec Alliance members will be able to obtain a,

728
00:39:06.885 –> 00:39:08.365
a discount to participate and,

729
00:39:08.365 –> 00:39:11.085
and benefit contribute to this, to this work.

730
00:39:12.805 –> 00:39:13.985
Yep, absolutely.

731
00:39:15.125 –> 00:39:19.195
Great. So we do have some questions here in the chat.

732
00:39:19.895 –> 00:39:22.235
Um, I will go from,

733
00:39:22.395 –> 00:39:24.995
I guess I’m just gonna go from the top down, uh, starting

734
00:39:25.025 –> 00:39:26.395
with, with James Ornstein.

735
00:39:26.975 –> 00:39:30.475
Um, was asking about blockchain technology, uh,

736
00:39:30.855 –> 00:39:33.315
how it relates and how it’s being used, uh,

737
00:39:33.415 –> 00:39:34.555
in relation to orange button.

738
00:39:36.435 –> 00:39:39.895
Um, so Orange Button has got a couple different ways of

739
00:39:39.965 –> 00:39:42.215
that we’re thinking about blockchain technology.

740
00:39:42.795 –> 00:39:46.295
The, the first one is that if you describe,

741
00:39:46.515 –> 00:39:49.415
if you use the technology to describe the data

742
00:39:49.415 –> 00:39:51.575
that you’re storing in a blockchain system,

743
00:39:52.325 –> 00:39:57.095
then it will be robust enough to stand the test

744
00:39:57.095 –> 00:39:59.855
of time and actually be, you know, worthy

745
00:39:59.875 –> 00:40:01.695
of getting locked down into the blockchain.

746
00:40:02.315 –> 00:40:06.535
So I think that that is, um, an excellent, you know,

747
00:40:07.715 –> 00:40:09.935
common structure of how that data

748
00:40:10.035 –> 00:40:12.335
and then the, the proper definitions with the units

749
00:40:12.555 –> 00:40:14.775
and the timeframes is actually

750
00:40:16.335 –> 00:40:19.375
a great enabler of block blockchain applications.

751
00:40:19.835 –> 00:40:23.415
Mm-hmm. Orange Button Alliance is also looking at, um,

752
00:40:23.745 –> 00:40:25.095
doing some tokens

753
00:40:25.095 –> 00:40:29.015
and having some orange button tokens for people

754
00:40:29.035 –> 00:40:30.575
who are contributing in the working groups

755
00:40:31.315 –> 00:40:34.455
and make other contributions that they’ll have tokens

756
00:40:34.455 –> 00:40:39.295
that can go to support training, um, getting, you know,

757
00:40:39.365 –> 00:40:42.655
free support and other elements like that in the system.

758
00:40:43.075 –> 00:40:45.215
So we’ve got a scenario

759
00:40:45.215 –> 00:40:47.735
where we’re gonna be using our exchanging kind

760
00:40:47.735 –> 00:40:50.495
of our volunteer time for

761
00:40:51.245 –> 00:40:53.095
some orange button Alliance services.

762
00:40:53.635 –> 00:40:58.265
And we, we also think that it’s, um, creating the structure

763
00:40:58.365 –> 00:41:02.015
that’s you need underlying, um, that,

764
00:41:02.165 –> 00:41:03.415
does that answer your question, James?

765
00:41:07.795 –> 00:41:10.895
And you can unmute yourself if you, if you want James.

766
00:41:12.515 –> 00:41:15.695
Yes. Oh, you responded? Yes. Perfect. Alright,

767
00:41:15.705 –> 00:41:16.705
We’re on the same page. Yep.

768
00:41:16.705 –> 00:41:17.515

769
00:41:18.325 –> 00:41:21.105
All right. Next question from Michael, uh, Cowen, uh,

770
00:41:21.105 –> 00:41:23.145
what process, uh, processes

771
00:41:23.165 –> 00:41:26.065
and procedures are used in Australia to get

772
00:41:26.065 –> 00:41:27.665
to 4K system cost?

773
00:41:28.445 –> 00:41:30.505
How similar is Orange button?

774
00:41:32.205 –> 00:41:35.085
Um, so I am not familiar with all of the processes

775
00:41:35.085 –> 00:41:36.845
that they’re using, but they have

776
00:41:37.425 –> 00:41:39.245
two significant differences.

777
00:41:40.185 –> 00:41:43.845
Um, and the first one is that the permitting process

778
00:41:44.745 –> 00:41:46.725
is a standardized form that takes about an hour,

779
00:41:46.745 –> 00:41:48.365
and it’s the same across the entire country.

780
00:41:49.145 –> 00:41:50.325
So that really helps.

781
00:41:51.155 –> 00:41:54.365
Also, the interconnection rules are substantially different,

782
00:41:54.465 –> 00:41:58.085
and I do believe SunSpec has been working with Australia

783
00:41:58.785 –> 00:42:03.205
in the setting these up so that their utilities approach

784
00:42:03.825 –> 00:42:06.725
to interconnection is that

785
00:42:07.435 –> 00:42:11.205
they are asserting that they have the right to curtail, um,

786
00:42:11.485 –> 00:42:13.645
anything that’s going to damage the grid, but

787
00:42:13.645 –> 00:42:17.825
otherwise, um, you know, connect as much as you want,

788
00:42:17.965 –> 00:42:19.625
use whatever you want for your,

789
00:42:19.625 –> 00:42:20.865
that you’re generating yourself.

790
00:42:21.325 –> 00:42:23.465
So they’ve got kind of a different approach

791
00:42:23.525 –> 00:42:26.545
to it altogether, and Tom Tanzi might be able to speak more

792
00:42:26.545 –> 00:42:28.305
to that, but essentially

793
00:42:28.305 –> 00:42:32.665
that eliminates the interconnection queue kind of conundrums

794
00:42:33.565 –> 00:42:35.305
is by thinking about that differently.

795
00:42:35.885 –> 00:42:37.865
And I do think that they’ve had some challenges

796
00:42:38.055 –> 00:42:39.945
with some product, um,

797
00:42:41.335 –> 00:42:44.805
inter interconnectivity device to device communications

798
00:42:45.235 –> 00:42:48.285
that they’re working out for the entire world in order

799
00:42:48.465 –> 00:42:51.885
to make that, um, curtailment on demand a reality.

800
00:42:52.385 –> 00:42:54.405
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Did I get that

801
00:42:54.405 –> 00:42:55.405
Right? You know, I will

802
00:42:55.405 –> 00:42:57.005
be, uh, happy to, to chime in.

803
00:42:57.325 –> 00:43:00.565
I think that you described the situation pretty well about

804
00:43:00.565 –> 00:43:03.085
their policies on, uh, interconnection

805
00:43:03.305 –> 00:43:04.525
as being a key driver.

806
00:43:05.085 –> 00:43:08.205
I would also add that as a, as a nation,

807
00:43:08.715 –> 00:43:12.445
they are very focused in on standardization with regard to,

808
00:43:12.445 –> 00:43:13.485
to these processes.

809
00:43:14.025 –> 00:43:16.725
So they, uh, re recognize that, uh,

810
00:43:17.155 –> 00:43:19.685
they have a had a significant vulnerability

811
00:43:19.685 –> 00:43:22.565
with their ability to, uh, to produce power and,

812
00:43:22.665 –> 00:43:26.605
and made the choice to bring on a lot of solar very quickly.

813
00:43:27.145 –> 00:43:29.365
And so they, they went to great lengths to,

814
00:43:29.545 –> 00:43:31.525
to standardize these processes and,

815
00:43:31.665 –> 00:43:33.325
and, uh, have them based on data.

816
00:43:34.145 –> 00:43:37.965
And so what Orange button represents in some ways is a, uh,

817
00:43:38.145 –> 00:43:40.605
is putting that whole program on, on steroids to,

818
00:43:40.865 –> 00:43:44.365
to provide an abundance of data to allow other jurisdictions

819
00:43:44.865 –> 00:43:47.205
to adopt a similar behavior and,

820
00:43:47.205 –> 00:43:48.885
and do it in a fully informed way.

821
00:43:52.035 –> 00:43:53.295
Yep, exactly.

822
00:43:53.875 –> 00:43:57.415
So this foundation, um, is ex exactly the foundation

823
00:43:57.415 –> 00:43:58.935
that we need to do to get there,

824
00:43:58.955 –> 00:44:01.935
and Australia’s actually adopted elements of this already

825
00:44:02.875 –> 00:44:03.875
Mm-hmm. To

826
00:44:03.875 –> 00:44:06.445
help support that. Great.

827
00:44:07.725 –> 00:44:09.375
Next, we have a question from Bill Rubin.

828
00:44:09.555 –> 00:44:12.015
Uh, he asks, uh, for US residential market,

829
00:44:12.515 –> 00:44:15.055
do you have a list regarding status of deployment

830
00:44:15.075 –> 00:44:18.815
of the system systems on a state by state basis,

831
00:44:19.245 –> 00:44:21.895
including number of solar installers using the

832
00:44:23.855 –> 00:44:24.855
System? Um,

833
00:44:24.855 –> 00:44:28.605
uh, I, NREL does have exactly that data

834
00:44:28.785 –> 00:44:30.845
and it is broken down, um,

835
00:44:30.925 –> 00:44:32.445
because they’re issuing the permits,

836
00:44:32.445 –> 00:44:35.525
they know the installers that are on the solar app system.

837
00:44:36.145 –> 00:44:37.285
So ENL

838
00:44:37.305 –> 00:44:39.925
and the Solar App Foundation have those specific data.

839
00:44:40.625 –> 00:44:43.565
Um, I talked with Katie at ENL

840
00:44:43.585 –> 00:44:46.125
to get my most recent updates off that data.

841
00:44:46.945 –> 00:44:51.645
Um, but if you, if you just go to Solar App Foundation, um,

842
00:44:51.825 –> 00:44:55.325
org, dot org, I believe, um, they will,

843
00:44:56.465 –> 00:44:57.995
they will be able to break that all down.

844
00:45:00.665 –> 00:45:01.015
Great.

845
00:45:06.025 –> 00:45:10.935
Okay. Next we have a question from Lemon Wong asking

846
00:45:10.935 –> 00:45:12.735
which level of membership is required

847
00:45:12.735 –> 00:45:14.415
to access orange button.

848
00:45:16.695 –> 00:45:20.435
So the accessing of orange button is in the open access,

849
00:45:21.295 –> 00:45:26.235
so you can look at the taxonomy, you can manually go through

850
00:45:26.375 –> 00:45:29.465
and, and look at the product registry, um,

851
00:45:30.135 –> 00:45:32.065
just for free.

852
00:45:32.765 –> 00:45:36.585
Uh, we, if you’re going to contribute anything

853
00:45:36.645 –> 00:45:39.825
or suggest any data changes, you do need an account,

854
00:45:40.365 –> 00:45:42.905
but it will be free for you to do that.

855
00:45:43.365 –> 00:45:47.095
And let me show you quickly, um,

856
00:45:47.725 –> 00:45:50.575
what the product registry MVP looks like.

857
00:45:51.125 –> 00:45:54.925
Here we go. And this link is in the deck,

858
00:45:56.395 –> 00:45:58.735
um, but you can come in

859
00:45:58.915 –> 00:46:03.655
and look at the details on the products that are here.

860
00:46:04.905 –> 00:46:06.725
Here’s an example of a detail that,

861
00:46:08.735 –> 00:46:10.115
um, it works.

862
00:46:10.175 –> 00:46:13.275
And then you have multiple inputs and outputs and mppt

863
00:46:14.095 –> 00:46:15.195
and you can come in

864
00:46:15.215 –> 00:46:17.595
and explore all of this as you would like.

865
00:46:18.375 –> 00:46:21.475
Mm-hmm. Um, you see what this data is,

866
00:46:21.855 –> 00:46:26.325
so you can look at this level of data, um, for free.

867
00:46:27.795 –> 00:46:31.785
Then with API access, then you need

868
00:46:31.785 –> 00:46:33.065
to start getting a paid account,

869
00:46:33.685 –> 00:46:35.585
but you can look online for free.

870
00:46:36.165 –> 00:46:39.425
And also the orange button editor is open

871
00:46:39.525 –> 00:46:43.745
and available for free so that you can look through

872
00:46:44.905 –> 00:46:45.905
whatever is of interest to you.

873
00:46:46.445 –> 00:46:49.985
And literally, this is on the internet, on the web,

874
00:46:51.475 –> 00:46:55.975
so you can see all of this definition of the data right now.

875
00:46:56.595 –> 00:46:59.415
And it’s got a great search functionality up here so

876
00:46:59.415 –> 00:47:03.725
that you can find, um, whatever it is

877
00:47:03.725 –> 00:47:05.045
that you might be interested in.

878
00:47:06.135 –> 00:47:07.715
You can just find it right in here.

879
00:47:11.745 –> 00:47:16.525
And, you know, we’ve got some very specific information,

880
00:47:16.665 –> 00:47:18.685
but you can check that kind of stuff out.

881
00:47:19.795 –> 00:47:22.765
Yeah, exactly. So the Orange button editor, the taxonomy,

882
00:47:23.505 –> 00:47:27.365
the AJ registry, the product registry, there are

883
00:47:27.895 –> 00:47:30.485
pre-public web portals that you can access it.

884
00:47:30.485 –> 00:47:33.685
It’s when you want to get obtain API access

885
00:47:34.385 –> 00:47:37.445
or, uh, contribute, um, code

886
00:47:37.545 –> 00:47:38.845
or edit data,

887
00:47:39.225 –> 00:47:41.525
that’s when membership is required essentially, right?

888
00:47:42.325 –> 00:47:43.685
E essentially. Yep. Yeah.

889
00:47:43.685 –> 00:47:44.925
So when you’re ready to connect

890
00:47:44.925 –> 00:47:46.725
and make it automated part of your business,

891
00:47:46.945 –> 00:47:48.365
that’s when you need a membership.

892
00:47:48.825 –> 00:47:50.645
But when you’re just looking it out and you’re,

893
00:47:50.645 –> 00:47:52.085
and you’re exploring and

894
00:47:52.145 –> 00:47:54.245
or you’re just designing your system, all

895
00:47:54.245 –> 00:47:56.165
of this is available right now,

896
00:47:56.905 –> 00:47:59.245
so, um, no limits.

897
00:48:00.035 –> 00:48:01.935
Yeah. Great.

898
00:48:03.975 –> 00:48:07.715
Uh, next Amit asks if we want to refer to context

899
00:48:08.175 –> 00:48:12.475
of orange button Sche, uh, schemas are there JSON, uh,

900
00:48:12.495 –> 00:48:13.995
and vocab files available

901
00:48:14.145 –> 00:48:17.875
with dedicated URII

902
00:48:17.875 –> 00:48:18.875
Think I got the question answered

903
00:48:18.875 –> 00:48:21.115
in the chat, but go ahead, Jen. Sorry.

904
00:48:21.415 –> 00:48:23.475
Um, uh, yes, so if it’s answered

905
00:48:23.475 –> 00:48:24.635
in the chat, that’s, that’s great.

906
00:48:24.775 –> 00:48:29.075
We have a GitHub that we’ve got access to everything.

907
00:48:29.695 –> 00:48:34.515
And, um, in terms of, yeah, so all of that information

908
00:48:34.515 –> 00:48:36.395
that you need is, is on GitHub.

909
00:48:38.205 –> 00:48:41.055
Awesome. And I also pasted the link to the actual,

910
00:48:41.515 –> 00:48:44.575
the master file, the JSO file that has all the taxon.

911
00:48:45.515 –> 00:48:46.515
Yes.

912
00:48:47.375 –> 00:48:50.605
Yep. Um, yep.

913
00:48:54.925 –> 00:48:56.215
Okay. And I’m just seeing if

914
00:48:56.215 –> 00:48:57.535
after that last question, it’s kind

915
00:48:57.535 –> 00:49:00.815
of just discussion about all the, uh, the responses.

916
00:49:02.875 –> 00:49:06.215
So are there any, uh, other, other questions or discussion?

917
00:49:06.675 –> 00:49:08.455
You can unmute yourself to ask a question

918
00:49:08.475 –> 00:49:09.975
or enter it in the chat at this time.

919
00:49:15.595 –> 00:49:18.345
Jenna, based at a comment here on, on the,

920
00:49:18.525 –> 00:49:19.745
on, on the chat here.

921
00:49:19.805 –> 00:49:22.625
But it’d be great if you can comment on the timings when the

922
00:49:22.625 –> 00:49:26.185
group meet meets so that others can join and collaborate

923
00:49:26.565 –> 00:49:29.385
unless the Slack group as well, which I pasted.

924
00:49:30.365 –> 00:49:32.825
Yes, you can totally join the Slack group.

925
00:49:33.245 –> 00:49:37.305
And we meet at Tuesdays at 11 o’clock Pacific time.

926
00:49:39.085 –> 00:49:43.185
Um, so which I believe is two o’clock Eastern time.

927
00:49:44.045 –> 00:49:48.225
So that, and we meet every Tuesday every week at 11 o’clock.

928
00:49:48.605 –> 00:49:52.745
So if you email me, I will connect you up with the group

929
00:49:53.045 –> 00:49:56.865
and you can join the work working group and listen in.

930
00:49:57.945 –> 00:50:01.035
Well, Jan, in addition of course, uh, uh, we’ll,

931
00:50:01.035 –> 00:50:04.635
we’ll provide you with, uh, uh, the, the names of people so

932
00:50:04.635 –> 00:50:07.835
that if folks are, are interested, uh, you’ll be invited

933
00:50:07.855 –> 00:50:08.915
to participate.

934
00:50:10.095 –> 00:50:11.515
Yes, absolutely.

935
00:50:14.395 –> 00:50:15.805
Yeah. I, I have a question for you.

936
00:50:16.305 –> 00:50:17.765
Uh, so what are the current topics

937
00:50:17.835 –> 00:50:20.645
that the Orange Martin Working Group is, is, uh,

938
00:50:20.645 –> 00:50:22.045
most focused in on right now?

939
00:50:24.095 –> 00:50:26.795
Oh, we are mostly focused on everything

940
00:50:26.795 –> 00:50:28.045
around product right now.

941
00:50:28.385 –> 00:50:31.445
So we did just finish, um,

942
00:50:31.995 –> 00:50:35.245
literally yesterday, the, uh, release

943
00:50:35.465 –> 00:50:39.285
of the domestic content fi o rules in source countries.

944
00:50:40.265 –> 00:50:43.485
And, um, the next piece that we’re working on is

945
00:50:43.485 –> 00:50:47.645
around the recycling for the PV tac,

946
00:50:48.735 –> 00:50:51.775
um, for recycling modules.

947
00:50:52.075 –> 00:50:55.055
And the IEE is working with the PV T,

948
00:50:55.055 –> 00:50:57.655
which had a grant from the Department of Energy

949
00:50:58.115 –> 00:50:59.175
to define the terms

950
00:50:59.355 –> 00:51:01.815
and the questions needed to support recycling

951
00:51:01.815 –> 00:51:03.855
and reuse of modules.

952
00:51:04.235 –> 00:51:07.535
So we’ve got full lifecycle, um, planning available,

953
00:51:08.075 –> 00:51:11.975
and we are working on, on adding in

954
00:51:12.035 –> 00:51:14.895
and considering how to best do that in those use cases.

955
00:51:15.755 –> 00:51:18.375
Likely the Orange Button Alliance will help

956
00:51:18.925 –> 00:51:22.615
with the technical work that is required for that grant, um,

957
00:51:22.995 –> 00:51:25.455
as the product registry is part of that output.

958
00:51:25.955 –> 00:51:30.415
So First Solar has been a major contributor to the,

959
00:51:30.915 –> 00:51:34.575
you know, module recycling planning as one would expect.

960
00:51:35.475 –> 00:51:39.295
And we’re expecting that they’re going to, um, be

961
00:51:39.825 –> 00:51:44.575
early adopters in getting their information up so

962
00:51:44.575 –> 00:51:46.575
that we’ll have the full, um,

963
00:51:46.805 –> 00:51:48.335
lifecycle information available.

964
00:51:49.355 –> 00:51:53.645
Um, and they’re, they’re setting themselves up

965
00:51:53.645 –> 00:51:55.605
to be first movers in that arena.

966
00:51:56.645 –> 00:51:59.145
So it’s very exciting. So we’re, it’s right now it’s

967
00:52:00.685 –> 00:52:02.975
very much focused around the product registry.

968
00:52:03.495 –> 00:52:04.495
Excellent. We

969
00:52:10.265 –> 00:52:11.265
Great. Well,

970
00:52:11.265 –> 00:52:13.415
any final questions or comments here?

971
00:52:16.395 –> 00:52:18.925
Jane, would you go to the, uh, slide for the next meeting?

972
00:52:18.955 –> 00:52:21.885
Yeah, so to, to wrap up, uh, well,

973
00:52:21.885 –> 00:52:22.765
let me just first reflect,

974
00:52:22.925 –> 00:52:24.045
I mean, thank, thanks so much Jan.

975
00:52:24.065 –> 00:52:25.845
The, uh, for, for leading the,

976
00:52:25.905 –> 00:52:27.805
the push on this orange button initiative.

977
00:52:28.275 –> 00:52:31.325
It’s another exciting, um, initiative that’s really helping,

978
00:52:31.825 –> 00:52:34.485
uh, to continue to accelerate

979
00:52:34.985 –> 00:52:37.085
and help the, the DER industry grow.

980
00:52:37.505 –> 00:52:39.125
Uh, that as, as you pointed out

981
00:52:39.125 –> 00:52:41.485
with the stakeholder slide benefits everybody.

982
00:52:41.825 –> 00:52:45.875
Um, and I, yeah, so really excited about this,

983
00:52:46.505 –> 00:52:49.435
this initiative, um, and, and,

984
00:52:50.215 –> 00:52:52.075
and grateful for all the hard work that you

985
00:52:52.335 –> 00:52:55.075
and, uh, everybody else is, is putting into it.

986
00:52:56.575 –> 00:53:00.595
And so, finally, like I said, to wrap up, um, to,

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to conclude this six part webinar series

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that we’ve been running for the past couple months,

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SunSpec will be hosting its virtual annual member meeting

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on, uh, December 17th.

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It’ll be a three hour session.

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We’ll have some networking time, uh, for, for our,

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for everybody to, uh, to get a chance to speak

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with each other and get an up all the updates on all the,

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all the very various activities going on in the SunSpec

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Alliance, both in the past year

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and coming up in 2026 as well.

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So you’ll receive the, because you’ve joined this,

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this webinar series, you’ll receive the, the calendar invite

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and meeting coordinates, um, for this, uh,

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virtual Ann Annual member meeting coming

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up on December 17th.

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So with that, thank you all so much for your time.

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Thanks again, Jan. Pleasure,

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and we was, pleasure forward to seeing you all in a couple

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weeks at the annual member meeting.

1007
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Thank you everyone. And a quick additional shout out

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to Cliff Hansen.

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He has been, um, essential

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and stalwart in, in helping us move this forward

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and bringing the subject matter expertise desperately needed

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to make orange button really work.

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And I see Cliff here, so thanks Cliff. Absolutely.

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Thank you, cliff.

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Thank you everyone. Thank you So long. Take next time.

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Bye.